This is the best analysis you’ll hear of our realistic options with North Korea in the short run. Basically, we have to make peace with the fact that the current regime is here to stay and that we are in a situation of mutually assured destruction. There are no reasonable military options. Instead, we need creative options, and the guest on this program, Goldstein, has a few. Two other items from this interview: a reminder that China is under as much of a threat of MAD as the US, and much of this trouble started with the George W. Bush administration, as so many of our foreign policy problems did.